Robert Dingwall

Robert Dingwall is a consulting sociologist, providing research and advisory services particularly in relation to organizational strategy, public engagement and knowledge transfer.
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  1. Posted April 2, 2013 at 5:42 pm | Permalink

    Fantastic post. We need more like this. I mean, seriously, most of the time the open access debate is rather straight-faced, about enabling better access to knowledge for all, and helping to reduce the enormous costs of publication, enabling better science and curing cancer. No, wait, my mistake, that last bit is the Daily Mail.

    So, it’s a delight to see Godwins Law finally appearing in the debate. Not before time. More, more, more I say.

  2. Posted December 16, 2012 at 3:10 pm | Permalink

    Very difficult to know where to begin to correct Charles Oppenheim’s errors or Steve Harrad’s blinkers. Firstly, as was made abundantly clear at the AcSS conference at the end of November, the Finch Commitee Report does not apply solely to research funded by certain funding agencies – it applies to all research by publicly-funded academics in the UK, which means everything produced by anyone with a salary from a UK public university or accommodated by that university on an external grant. Second, academics in the social sciences and humanities do have small but significant opportunities to derive economic benefits from the re-purposing of their journal articles. As David Golumbia correctly notes, OA expropriates those property rights. This is exactly what internet piracy amounts to in relation to music or movies. It has been recognized by the declaration of UK history journals that they will not adopt the CC-BY licence because they want to protect their authors’ rights in a sector where a parallel trade book market exists. Third, quotation is currently restricted by ‘fair dealing’ provisions under copyright law. It is not open to any unauthorized user of my work to rewrite it in full to suit their own purposes: mash-ups are not allowed. When the Open University, for example, wanted to abridge one of my papers for a course reader, I had the unequivocal right to know that they were doing this and to approve their editing to ensure that the result remain faithful to my intentions. CC-BY strip this away. Fourth, it is increasingly clear that Green repositories of pdfs are a pretty poor substitute for Versions of Record with metadata, linkages and usage metrics. It seems that most UK university repositories consist mainly of hotlinks to journal abstracts, which allow these functions to be sustained. AS a content creator, of course, I want my work to be read – but I do not want to be stripped of my rights to derive economic benefit where appropriate or, in particular, to prevent abuse of my content.

  3. Posted December 15, 2012 at 3:36 pm | Permalink

    First of all, in the traditional model, authors give away their rights to publishers, at least for articles (books are a different matter altogether). But correcting the mistakes and misconceptions in this post is too hard a task. Almost every statement is flat wrong. Whether it is on purpose or just because of a lack of information/understanding is difficult to say and does not really matter. In any case, it is pure disinformation.

  4. Posted December 14, 2012 at 6:02 pm | Permalink

    Sorry, what’s this got to do with Hitler? I don’t see the connection.

  5. Posted December 14, 2012 at 2:22 pm | Permalink

    I disagree strongly.

    Individual scientists who make DIRECT contributions to translations of their work into products can opt for patents instead of publications, often act as (paid) consultants for the industry or found their own companies.

    Publicly funded scientists are honored for their impact with public grants and prices. If you simply find the knowledge that somebody else can use to create a product, I don’t see why you should be ‘rewarded’ for it by the private sector. It’s like saying everybody who builds machines with mechanical parts should pay Newton and any other physicist in the field of mechanics for it.

    The scenarios of intelectual abuse painted by the author are not ‘future results of open access’, they are happening NOW and have been happening throughout the whole ‘era’ of traditional publishing. If right-wing radicals (for me as a German ‘NAZI’ has a very distinct meaning) abuse your work, spread it among left-wing radicals. :P

    If you work for industry, you don’t even get public acknowledgement for your findings. Your boss decides whether you may have a piece of the cake or not. Your work is owned by the corporations first. If you are funded by the public, you work for the public and your work has to bring intelectual profit to the public and you will be publicly acknowledged.

    Scientists chose to be in academia. It is increasingly hard to get there and you don’t if you are not passionate about it. I personally find it rather humerous to argue with personal rewards from industry. We have the tools to get those without publishing the traditional way.

  6. Posted December 14, 2012 at 1:37 pm | Permalink

    This is just to agree with every single point made by Professor Oppenheim. Professor Dingwall’s article was remarkable uninformed.

  7. Posted December 14, 2012 at 12:19 pm | Permalink

    Thank you very much, SAGE, for providing us with yet more evidence as to why universities and other publicly funded research institutions should cut all ties with corporate publishers of your ilk. I’m looking forward to the day when I don’t have to deal with multi-billion dollar corporations any more, who pull the Nazi card on me (I’m German!) as soon as their business model is being threatened by new technology. This day will now come just a little sooner, thanks to you.

    • Posted December 17, 2012 at 11:53 am | Permalink

      Hello Bjorn,
      Just a quick note from SAGE (this is Mithu Lucraft replying on behalf of SAGE) to add to this thread that socialsciencespace exists for community discussion: neither this, nor any other individual blog post added by a member of this community has been written by, edited or endorsed by SAGE, other than those which are clearly posted under the SAGE account. You can read more about why we launched socialsciencespace here: http://www.socialsciencespace.com/about/. I sincerely hope that this site will continue to attract a range of viewpoints from across the social science community, regardless of their stance. Comments, as you can see here, help to facilitate further conversation with our bloggers, so please do join in. We also welcome contributions from anywhere across the social science community: if you’d like to get involved why not get in touch with our editor via info@socialsciencespace.com? Very best wishes, Mithu

  8. Posted December 14, 2012 at 10:44 am | Permalink

    Thank heavens the writer of this absurd piece of flamebait Godwinned himself right in the title, saving us the frightening prospect of anyone taking it seriously.

  9. Posted November 4, 2012 at 3:32 pm | Permalink

    I just want to emphasize the point you make about corporations. While I work in the humanities where corporations are unlikely to profit from my research, the fact remains that the OA movement is almost entirely focused on the not-for-profit sector, despite the already-heavy reliance of industry on research that was in part funded by government. Because that research is protected by intellectual property laws against which there is currently no credible protest, the OA movement ends up saying that poorly-paid academics must be forced to give their work away for free to corporations who already stand to profit from it, but can now do it even more widely and without cost–exacerbating the “closed knowledge” problem rather than truly addressing it, and soaking up potential profits (from “technology transfer”) from academics and/or giving theme serious reason to consider withholding publication even more than they already do.

    The problem OA claims it wants to solve is to provide access to knowledge to those who would otherwise be unable to get it. That problem is real, but largely applies to specific parts of the world. Rather than blanket “open access,” this problem could be addressed with direct provision of resources to countries, institutions, and sites that can demonstrate (through some very minimal identification process) that they would not otherwise be able to access the material—this would primarily be for parts of the developing world, which have the most credible case for the access part of OA. But corporations stand to be the major profiteers from OA as it’s currently defined, which is beyond ironic, since there is no reason at all to think they will return the favor in kind.

  10. David States
    Posted October 22, 2012 at 11:41 am | Permalink

    The example cited, quoting an excerpt from a published work with attribution, pretty clearly falls within fair use so it really does not matter whether or not the primary source was published open access or under copyright. The big difference is that a reader could follow up and read the primary source material if it is published open access, but the vast majority of readers would not be able to do so if it was published under copyright only accessible through academic research libraries and expensive subscriptions.

  11. Charles Oppenheim
    Posted October 22, 2012 at 10:30 am | Permalink

    It is difficult to know where to begin to correct the errors in this piece. Scholars do not get economic benefits from their journal articles at the moment, so why mention economic losses? Neo Nazi or other groups can already quote, selectively or not, from academic papers to promote their cause along the lines described already. The author seems to be confusing the recommendations of the Finch Report – which only applies to research funded by certain funding agencies – with the broader push towards Open Access, and in particular towards so-called “green” repositories, which impose no obligations on authors as to the licence they use. The idea that the prime beneficiaries will be large corporations is also peculiar – the prime beneficiaries of OA is the general public at large. The term ‘copyright piracy” at the end is nonsensical. I would have expected that scholars would WELCOME wider dissemination of their results.

    • Posted December 14, 2012 at 2:35 pm | Permalink

      Absolutely. I am a researcher and I don’t know any scientist in academia who does not want his work to be read by as many people as possible. It is also seriously annoying when you want to read an article your institution has no subscription for.

      I also see academics making personal profit from their work without hiding their results from the public… literally on the same floor I work on.

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